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Karen Read NOT GUILTY, NOT GUILTY, NOT GUILTY
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Disclaimer: All defendants are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY in a court of law. All facts are alleged until a conviction!
Welcome everyone to podcast 69 south, where we cuss and discuss true crime, cold cases, current events and hot topics, along with our state of society today. This is your trigger warning. Our podcast content is produced for adult listeners, 18 years of age and older. We discuss situations that may be offensive and triggering to some listeners. Sit back, relax. And older we discuss situations that may be offensive and triggering to some listeners. Sit back, relax and enjoy. Welcome to 69 South everybody. I'm Chop and your host today, and also with me is my beautiful co-host, julie. What's up?
Speaker 2:babe, you make me blush every time you say that and I don't know why.
Speaker 1:Man, I gotta say we're both kind of giddy today, because yesterday Karen Reed was found not guilty.
Speaker 2:Not guilty, not guilty, not guilty.
Speaker 1:And it's a blessing. I can't tell you how much Julie prayed for this. You know what. Nobody wants justice for John O'Keefe more than 69 South. But it doesn't matter if Karen Reed was convicted. Wants justice for.
Speaker 2:John O'Keefe.
Speaker 1:more than 69 South, but if it doesn't matter, if Karen Reed was convicted or acquitted, I would still believe she was innocent. Yeah, but I would have. Justice would not have been served for John O'Keefe, because she did not fucking do that shit.
Speaker 2:No, and it's so obvious, it's so obvious, it's so obvious. And then what kills me is that these people and you know Twitter's real bad, with everybody hating Karen Reid and the trolls and just the shit they say is so disgusting say is so disgusting.
Speaker 1:You know I'm not one to really talk about politics and shit, but it's almost like the difference in Democrats and Republicans. Like sometimes I sit and wonder what the fuck are they thinking and I look at the shit they're saying about Carrie oh, she did it, she did it. But if you look at every fucking thing, there's no fucking way she did it.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no no no, no.
Speaker 1:I've seen dudes get their ass whooped and I've seen people being hit by cars and there's no way that Karen Reed backed up into him with a fucking cracked taillight and destroyed his fucking face, split the back of his head open and caused all that shit. There's no fucking way. It just didn't happen like that. You ever been bit by a dog, Destroyed his fucking face, split the back of his head open and caused all that shit? There's no fucking way. It just didn't happen like that.
Speaker 2:You ever been bit by a dog?
Speaker 1:I've been bit by several dogs.
Speaker 2:What'd it?
Speaker 1:look like I ain't never been bit by a police dog, but I've sat a lot of buddies been bit by canine police dogs and it looked just fucking like that Tell me that on those injuries on his arm, that that middle injury was like a bite, and then the few on the side were scratches. Absolutely. It looked like Chloe may have had a little bit of a crooked overbite.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Her canines.
Speaker 1:I swear that's what they fucking look like. Wow, and that Michael Proctor man I don't know if you guys watched the 2020 shit where he was like, oh, I was just like not 2020, it was 2020, it was 2024 but the fucking show oh, the 2020 show.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're talking about the show talk shit, it was 2020, right. Tv show, not the year, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well fuck, it didn't even happen until three years ago. I know Any fucking way.
Speaker 2:I was just trying to help you out.
Speaker 1:Thank you, baby, You're so sweet. Anyway, Michael Proctor was like oh well, it was just emotions, because this was another police officer that was my colleague and my friend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bitch, you didn't work with him.
Speaker 1:He didn't fucking know him for one, but for two he was like in my emotions. This was so far into the case. It was 16 fucking hours into the case.
Speaker 2:When that ain't so far into a case, that's like you don't know shit what the fuck's going on and if you're a professional police officer and your emotions are getting to you like that, apparently you don't need to be a professional, you need to go see a fucking psychiatrist or a psychologist, whichever the best is for a dipshit.
Speaker 1:I mean he like, come on man, you called her a whack job, yeah the c word and and dogged her fucking medical condition like your leaky balloon Not for you guys that don't know. She had something wrong where maybe she might have, and shit.
Speaker 2:Well, she has multiple. Karen has MS, right. I mean, I'm 52 years old.
Speaker 1:I lift something heavy up, I may leak a little poop out. You know what I'm saying Shut up. But he said leaky balloon, knot man. That's just fucking rude, that's so unprofessional. And how fucking embarrassing was it for him knowing that the whole I mean how many people you think was watching that first trial with Alan Jackson made him read them texts calling her a whack job cut.
Speaker 2:Tens of thousands.
Speaker 1:I think it was way more than that, oh yeah, probably, but I'm just taking a mediocre guess.
Speaker 2:What do you think honestly about— Well, we know on Melanie Little she's got 30,000,. You know in her live stream at one time just watching.
Speaker 1:On the second trial right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was on the second trial.
Speaker 1:There's no way that that jury had not heard about the Karen Reid case. I mean, we're fucking, we're hillbillies from Indiana and we was deep into that shit on the first trial, so there's no way that the Everybody in. Kansas, everybody knew.
Speaker 2:It was in the newspapers, I mean, and Karen had billboards everywhere.
Speaker 1:The courthouse was surrounded every day. How could you fucking not know? I'm surprised. It was probably a pretty good move for the defense not to move it.
Speaker 2:honestly, Well, it was in Dedham, not Canton. I wonder if Dedham's the county seat. Maybe you know how counties have different towns in them and one's bigger than the other. Yeah, absolutely, and then one's a county seat. Maybe you know how counties have different towns in them and one's bigger than the other, and then one's a county seat.
Speaker 1:That must be exactly what it is really.
Speaker 2:Well, canton was a pretty big town. It had like 24,000 people, so it's like twice the size of the area we come from.
Speaker 1:So, folks, if you haven't heard of Karen Reeded, if you've been living under a rock and not heard of the john o'keefe story, go back and listen to our four-part series, secrets in the snow. It'll basically catch you up on the first trial with brian higgins and brian albert and all the villains. That was in the first trial. That was not in the second trial.
Speaker 2:Oh, and there's a bunch of villains. I think we should talk about what we think really happened.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll tell you what I think happened. And I've always, you know, as Karen Reid as a person I don't fucking know or I don't know how she is, how cool she is, but I saw the text messages between her and Brian Higgins when she was supposedly with John O'Keefe and she was definitely doing some flirting. That shouldn't have been being done. I don't know. If you're in a committed relationship it should not have been being done, and he said that she put a smooch on him outside and that type shit.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:But I think some more shit happened between them that was ever let out in court or, you know, ever came to really light.
Speaker 2:You think they did the dirty, don't you?
Speaker 1:I think they did, I really do think they did, I think they did, I really do think they did. And the reason I think that? Because I mean, as a person, I thought Brian Higgins was kind of cool, other than the bullshit that he's in here, not Brian Albert, but Brian Higgins, I mean, when I watched his testimony. I thought, man, I could probably hang out with that fucking dude. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:He's pretty cool, but the way he acted in the bar when karen reed kind of snuffed him. When he text her, um well, um, yeah, exactly um well, and what she do, she smooched john o'keefe right in front of his fucking ass and then he got all shitty his feeling got hurt yep, yep, his little peepee got smashed or something.
Speaker 1:But if you, if you watch the video at the Waterfall Bar, he's all like motioning it. John O'Keefe hey, motherfucker, let's take it outside. Bitch, come on outside. That's what I got out of it. I'm a big Irish dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because why did Chris grab his arm like calm down, not?
Speaker 1:in here. Chill the fuck out, bro. This is our spot. That's exactly what it was. Fuck, yeah, that's what happened. But before that, him and brian albert was all like fucking. I mean, I'm a big irish dude. I used to like to drink and fucking fight. I mean that's what we do. You know what I mean? That's exactly what they was doing. They was hype, they was drinking, brian higgins was pissed off and brian higgins and brian albert had spent all day riding back from where was new york.
Speaker 1:New york, an officer's funeral that they didn't even know yes, so you know brian higgins was telling brian albert about oh, karen's been texting me, yeah man, I fucking hit that shit, or I'm trying to hit that shit, or whatever. And then I don't know man, I, I just I, I know him, I, I feel it in my heart. That's what happened. And when you see him fucking shitty and squaring up with brian albert play fighting, though, because they're just all fucking hype- and they're trying to garner the attention of the, the ladies.
Speaker 2:Why else would you do that?
Speaker 1:you wouldn't do that. I mean they're in their fucking 40s late 40s yeah, late 40s at the time it's. I mean, that's what the fuck happened. He was pissed off, his manhood was hurt.
Speaker 1:He was squaring up, trying to be tough I'm the fbi agent and she's gonna fall for just the boston cop yep, that's exactly what it was, I promise you, when he waved for him to motion for him to go the fuck outside to fight. That's what sold it for me. Plus, there's no fucking way that she backed into him with that Lexus and did that much damage to his face. They keep talking about his arm, his arm. What about his fucking eyes?
Speaker 2:They look like they were about to pop out of his head and the skull fractures he had in the back of his head it Split.
Speaker 1:The back of his head was split it. Just what pisses me off, babe, is that they didn't investigate the house. If that was a citizen's house, they would have fucking scoured that piece of shit.
Speaker 2:Anybody who is found dead on somebody's lawn. I can guarantee you 99.9% of the time they're getting a search warrant to go in that house just to look.
Speaker 1:You let Morgan County find a dead fucking Morgan County sheriff cop in my yard. I promise you I'm probably going to jail the minute they find him. And then they're going to search every blade of grass in my shit. Absolutely they would. That was the fucked up part about it. And they also proved that michael proctor I mean even though they didn't prove it like michael proctor was the best friends with the alberts or higgins. They proved that they knew each other. They knew who the fuck each other was yeah, and they had met a few times.
Speaker 2:See what I think is muddy in it. I think the waters were muddied a little bit when it comes to how well some of these people really knew each other.
Speaker 1:I mean, canton wasn't that big and police officers know who the other police officers are. And plus, brian Higgins was an FBI agent.
Speaker 2:He had a fucking office in the canton police department yes, but john was a boston police officer and also brian albert was a police officer in boston, but I guess they were on different um. I I think brian albert was like.
Speaker 1:But weren't they both detectives? Like Brian Albert, he was a fugitive cop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he hunted people.
Speaker 1:Gang force task members drugs.
Speaker 2:And I think John O'Keefe was A sex crimes detective. I'm saying that loosely because I'm not 100% for sure. I did hear that but I haven't verified it. But they did work in the same for the same employer. There's thousands of fucking Boston police officers and I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1:The second trial. It was really weird how the commissioner called what's her name, babe, the Boston girl cop.
Speaker 2:Officer Deaver. Is that what Alan Jackson called her? Or was her name, babe? The Boston girl cop? Officer Deaver.
Speaker 1:Is that what Alan Jackson called her, or was that her real name? No, it's.
Speaker 2:Officer, I think Deaver, but he accidentally said Deaver and she was like you can't remember my last name. I don't remember just being a bitch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the commissioner called her to there's thousands of Boston cops. She was a fucking rookie Boston cop too. Yeah, but the commissioner called her to there's thousands of Boston cops.
Speaker 2:Well you gotta, she was a fucking rookie Boston cop too, yeah, but why did he call her to the office?
Speaker 1:Well, he said, supposedly we support you in everything you do, do the right thing. And for people that don't know, man, that's just a fucking thing that cops. It's a blue wall and I get it man the blue wall of silence.
Speaker 1:The blue wall of silence. B that cops, it's a blue wall and I get it. The blue wall of silence, the blue wall. Science, bikers, cops, kind of the same deal. Criminals, right, but do the right thing. That's basically saying don't fucking tell on your officers, say whatever the fuck you gotta say to be on the right side of the law. Yes, ma'am, yes.
Speaker 2:And well, officer Deaver, I'm going to call her Officer Deaver, I don't care how you pronounce it, but anyway.
Speaker 1:She was kind of a bitch really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was. You know why she was like that. She was instantly defensive because the bitch knew she was lying. Yeah, she was scared to death the funny part about it is that she said that she saw Brian Higgins and the— Chief of police.
Speaker 1:I believe it was yeah it was the chief of the Canton Police Department, go into the Sallyport where Karen Reed's car was taken. Karen Reed's car was taken and, mind you, they passed to Massachusetts State Police Post where it should have been taken, because Canton was supposed to be recused from the whole case, because Brian Albert had ties to the Canton Police Department, his family and all that bullshit.
Speaker 2:His brother was the detective there.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. But then, after the FBI talked to her and the commissioner talked to her, her story changed. She had a false memory, people. A false memory from a police officer. Can you imagine, I'm telling you, if she had busted me I would be right back in fucking court right now saying that bag of weed you saw in my pocket. It must have been a false memory too. I'm just saying that's fucked up.
Speaker 2:Hypothetically.
Speaker 1:Hypothetically Not that there is anything like that in your pocket and she wasn't really smart enough to come up with the false memory bullshit. Somebody higher up told her to fucking say that shit. You have to say it's a false memory, Like you imagined it in your fucking head. If you're imagining two dudes that you know walk into a fucking room that they're not supposed to be in, and her words were, they stayed in there for a wildly amount of time and I thought that it was odd. And I thought that it was odd. If you imagine the shit like that bitch, you don't need to be a police officer, you need to be on some psych drugs.
Speaker 1:You're like delusional, then yeah you can't imagine false memories, shit like that. That don't even make fucking sense.
Speaker 2:And and well, this officer was not in the first trial so everybody was like, who is this? And she was brought into this trial because after sergeant good had to leave the canton police department to go to where john o'keefe was on that call with all the other officers. She is the officer that took over Manning, like the 911 dispatcher desk and all the security system cameras. You know how, like in a dispatcher area, you have all the cameras for the whole jail.
Speaker 1:That's another thing I wanted to say. She said, well, I can't remember where all the cameras for the whole jail that's another thing I wanted to say. She said well, I don't, I can't remember where all the security cameras were and there were so many cops that come up on melanie little stream that said I was a dispatcher 20 years ago and I still remember every, fucking, every tv screen every monitor where it was. You know everything, so that was some bullshit.
Speaker 2:You know she's lying.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. She was fucking lying.
Speaker 2:I bet she feels like an idiot because she knows the world thinks she's an idiot. But hey, guess what she got to keep her job.
Speaker 1:She did.
Speaker 2:Well, she didn't lie about that.
Speaker 1:And you know, I'm telling you what the Boston policemen? They're some fucking gangsters. So I get why she did what she did. She was probably like her life was literally probably in danger. I mean, they fucking killed John O'Keefe, I think.
Speaker 2:Oh, John O'Keefe was absolutely killed at 34 Fairview, Absolutely 100%.
Speaker 1:We know that, but the lady that was a financial advisor type shit and a she was a professor Karen Reed was. Wasn't she at a college when she a professor?
Speaker 2:She was a professor. She was an adjunct professor at Bentley College. Plus, she was a financial person for Fidelity Investments. She had an amazing career, an amazing part-time career. She had her own house. She was a very independent woman taking care of her own business.
Speaker 1:She was in her 40s. There's no way you go from kissing your dude, loving up on him, to fucking, backing up 27 miles an hour and crashing into him with your taillight and destroying his face, looking like he went 10 rounds with Mike Tyson, which was reportedly supposedly said by John O'Keefe's brother, after they seen him in the hospital too. Karen Reed, it's not confirmed.
Speaker 2:When she got to the house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're denying it now, but she said that. He said that.
Speaker 2:You know, they know the O'Keefe's. You know I mean I feel bad, I feel horrible for John O'Keefe's mother, absolutely. I mean I do too. She's lost two children and you don't wish that on your worst enemy. No, it's the worst thing in the whole world. But I think her hatred she didn't like Karen before and I just think her hatred grew after all this stuff happened with John because she had Jen McCabe in her ear the entire time. I mean, as soon as that morning, you know she was in Peggy O'Keefe's ear, absolutely Telling her. Oh, I think Karen hit her with the car.
Speaker 1:And the video of her backing out of was it One Fairview, meadows, one Meadows? Yeah, it's obvious that she hit John's car with her passenger side taillight. I mean it's obvious. It drives me nuts that these people think, oh, she did it, this caused this damage. There's no fucking way.
Speaker 2:Now I've read this and I've always had this weird feeling Because, okay, so Karen gets a hold of Kerry Roberts and Jen in the morning to go look for John, help her find him. She gets a hold of Jen because that's the last place she was at and Jen was there. Okay, yeah, now. So she calls Jen at 5 in the morning, but I guess before that she called Kerry. I don't know what order they actually called in, but um, so karen goes to pick up jen and then carrie roberts pulls up behind her and then supposedly follows her all the way over to one meadows avenue. Now, if you're looking for somebody, why are you going to drive all the way back to the house you were just at knowing they are not there? Why did Jen McCabe want her?
Speaker 1:That was some buy and some time bullshit is what that was.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I'm telling you what. I think some of the taillight pieces came because you could tell something was different about her car when it was parked or from that officer's dash cam.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that the reason that Jen McCabe had her drive back to Meadows and park her car there and leave it there and ride with Carrie is so that Jen's husband or the Alberts or whoever, could go and, you know, do something to her car, you know what? Because Jen was texting her old man, I bet, and was like hey, karen, karen's taillights cracked. If I can get her to, that's perfect. We can say shit, john, or you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, we don't know what the fucking conversation was with them. Drunk bitches on the way to and from to and from. Drunk bitches on the way to and from to and from.
Speaker 2:She was like are you sure you didn't hit him? She was probably priming her for that fucking like gas liner or maybe he got hit by a plow, or maybe somebody hit him when he was trying to walk home or speaking to hit by a plow.
Speaker 1:I love lucky man yes, a motherfucking soldier he's a soldier man, he's's an Irish dude, just like the rest of them, and he fucking stood his ground and told the truth. He knew the Alberts. He worked for Brian Albert's brother, chris, and delivered pizza to Brian Albert's home at least once a week. He said. So of course he's going to be fucking nosy when he's driving his snow plow out there. Looking to the right, you ain't going to see a six foot fucking something man laying there in the snow.
Speaker 2:Well, you're going to be looking anyway, because when you're driving a big plow, you're looking for. It doesn't matter what time of day or night it is. You're looking for animals running out in front of you. You're looking for people walking along the side of the road, or I mean cars stopped and stranded.
Speaker 1:I don't mean this bad about Lucky, but he's kind of a simple dude, so he's doing extra shit to make sure he don't fuck up. I feel that because, I'm kind of a simple myself and I do extra shit because I'm always thinking I'm going to fuck up. I guarantee you Lucky was looking left, right and he was looking everywhere, wanting to make sure he did his job 100%.
Speaker 2:You can tell that Lucky's the type of guy who has integrity and he cares about the quality of his work and he always wants it to be done a certain way, a certain standard, and if it's not done, I just feel like that would give him anxiety, he seems like that type of person 100%.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what I'm saying, and especially in front of Brian Albert's house. Brian Albert had a fucking reputation. He was on the fucking TV show Boston's Finest. He was supposedly a badass dude, a boxer, which I'm sure he was.
Speaker 2:He looked like he was. I'd like to see you go five rounds with him. He wouldn't know what hit him.
Speaker 1:You probably maybe see one. I mean if it fucking happened.
Speaker 2:I'd pay to see that.
Speaker 1:Let's set it up Fuck, hit me up, albert, but anyway the reputation that he had and shit, so you know he was looking extra careful to make sure he didn't hit their fucking mailbox. Or, and the second time he came around, lucky, said there was a fucking ford edge parked out front at two something in the morning no, it was like three, but was it? It doesn't matter, he's seen the car out there he did, and the video of brian higgins when he went back to the police department. That really fucked. Who goes?
Speaker 2:to a police department after they've been drinking all day. After the cop's funeral, stopped at a few bars, went to the waterfall, then went to Albert's house drinking. I mean, they've been drinking for hours.
Speaker 1:Texting John O'Keefe saying, are you coming, are you coming? And he really didn't know, john O'Keefe that well.
Speaker 2:So why would he be like, oh, why are you coming, I'm telling you, and Jen McKay, when they were coming out of the waterfalls, like, oh, you're coming with me? Yeah, like she had a surprise for her, they were finna. Set her up over the Brian.
Speaker 1:Higgins deal.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, and that's what happened whenever he walked in to that house and whichever door he walked into, and I also think that Colin might have had something to do with it, because I heard there was a little static there. But I'm not so sure about Colin. Well, he might have been trying to show off for the big Bryans.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, oh his uncles.
Speaker 2:He was a little hothead too. You look at videos of him.
Speaker 1:he's telling motherfuckers I'm going to fuck you up, I'm going to whip your ass. He's a little badass dude too.
Speaker 2:He ain't shit.
Speaker 1:I mean he probably is a little badass dude, but he ain't shit. But yeah, brian Higgins at the police department cleared everybody's shit off for him. You see him walk into the control room, I think it was. I think he was at the police department waiting for any 911 calls, trying to pre-amp any bullshit if it came in or let everybody else know what the fuck was going on. Also, there was the calls between Brian Higgins, brian Albert. They were all butt dials. Anybody y'all got iPhones, y'all can't butt dial shit because your fucking face has to look at it or you have to unlock it or you have to put in a six digit code.
Speaker 1:You don't butt dial shit. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Well, I can say I have a couple times.
Speaker 1:Or.
Speaker 2:FaceTime by accident.
Speaker 1:And what about them? Getting rid of the fucking phones before the day before?
Speaker 2:the preservation order.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Sus, sus. Before the day before the preservation order yeah, sus, sus. So brian higgins smashed his fucking phone because it was time for an upgrade. Both of them, I gotta let you know that smashed his fucking iphone, threw it in a trash can. Was it a military base? Yes, and then he took his sim card which our iphones now don't even have sim cards, so he must have had a fucking old one, smashed it and threw it in a different trash can. Why did he say that he did all that? Because he's an fbi?
Speaker 2:why would you do that anyway. Your phone has a thousand pictures, memories. I would be devastated if anything happened to my phone with everything I have on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know as well as I do, when we get new iPhones, our iCloud.
Speaker 2:Sends it right over, I guess, if it's not deleted.
Speaker 1:everything is still there Our pictures, our text. We got millions of fucking texts between us. But if you delete it, you can delete it from the iCloud, but you can't delete it from the old phone. So if you delete it from the old phone and it's not in your iCloud, it's not going to be in your iCloud on the new fucking phone. That's why he did it.
Speaker 2:Speaking of deleted stuff, Karen Reid never had anything deleted off her phone.
Speaker 1:No, she was straight up. Came jen mckay was deleting shit. Uh, alberts were deleting shit, higgins was deleting shit, everybody was deleting shit except for karen I just man, I tell you the the main thing that gets me is the way they was acting at the bar, like I said, and the fucking damage to poor John O'Keefe's face and head, I mean.
Speaker 2:That was not caused by a fall to the ground.
Speaker 1:Her Lexus ain't six foot fucking.
Speaker 2:Just really think if she would have backed up like that the roads were slick. Even if she so are they saying she have backed up like that, the roads were slick, so are they saying she just backed up and hit him? Is there any her slamming on the brakes to stop? Because if she was just backing up and didn't stop there would have been tracks in that yard, in the yard.
Speaker 1:Well, also the dude pulled up next to her and seen her sitting there with a dome light on, nobody else in the yard, nobody in the passenger seat. She was sitting there looking at her fucking phone. She was texting John when the fuck you at, babe you coming out? Blah, blah, blah. She was texting him. She was pissed off because he didn't come back out. In reality he was getting ate by a fucking dog and getting the shit beat out of him down there.
Speaker 2:In my opinion, see, that's one thing that does bother me. Like if you went into somewhere like that I mean, I guess everybody's got different relationships but if you went in somewhere and I'm sitting here waiting for you to come out and I wait like five minutes and you ain't out, I'm going up to that door and I'm beating that door down until I get you out of there.
Speaker 1:Oh, please believe I drop you off some fucking where. If I ain't going in with you and your ass ain't coming out there, get me. So I'm going to fucking door to 100. But I think I think that John O'Keefe because you see it on the waterfall video he notices you can see him side eye and shit I don't think John o'keefe was that fucked up. He's seen the action between brian higgins and brian albert.
Speaker 2:He's seen the static he was picking up what they were done, but why would he want to go over there?
Speaker 1:jen was like come on because I think maybe he might have gotten karen reed's phone or maybe she might have had admitted some small bullshit. Yeah, we texted a little bit when me and you was fighting and you know John O'Keefe, he's a six-foot fucking two Boston police officer. Them motherfuckers are tough. He's Irish. Take me over there. They want us to go over there and party. I'll go confront this fucking dude man. Fuck Brian Higgins. That's what I think he was thinking. That's what I think he was thinking. That's what I would have been thinking Take me over there. If y'all wasn't fucking, y'all wasn't doing nothing. Take me over there, excuse me, that's what I would have been saying. I think she was like man, fuck that John, let's just go home. And he was like nah, fuck that man, they're calling me over there. I look like a bitch if I don't go over there, if ain't nothing happening, let's go over there. We'll just hang out and chill out and see what the fuck's up with these dudes.
Speaker 2:Well, if that was the conversation in the fucking car, she should have been right there with him going in that door.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she knew about the Texas and she probably thought Brian Higgins was going to be like look, your fucking old lady's been texting me and she smooched me, she talking about how we the same we ain't got no kids and johnny been treating me right.
Speaker 2:She was scared dude was gonna dime her out yeah, and then on top of you know okay, there was jen, and then there was. Why is that bitch's name got to be julie?
Speaker 1:oh, no man one of the albert fucking julie's bro they all trifle it one way or another, except for you, mama.
Speaker 2:Nicole and I don't know, but I get the. They were jealous of Karen 100%. I can see Jen McCabe just been seething with jealousy One because Karen was a successful woman, she had everything on her own, she was a college professor, she had a corporate career at Fidelity Investments.
Speaker 1:She had shit going on.
Speaker 2:She had shit going on. And what was Jen McCabe? A stay-at-home soccer mom.
Speaker 1:John O'Keefe A basketball coach. John O'Keefe was a good-looking Boston cop man, I mean they all wanted him that was Carrie Roberts' high school sweetheart. That's right, you're right, they were all jealous of her.
Speaker 2:And then, well, you know, Jen McCabe is the puppet master in all of this.
Speaker 1:And if y'all don't see that, then If y'all ain't seen my little song I put on Instagram. Go check it out. It's kind of funny, it's kind of stupid. People love it, though it is funny, but anyway she is the puppet master.
Speaker 1:I think she fucking had all that shit, her and Brian Albert Absolutely Yep. And I really think, man, that if it'd be in different situations and we was all in the same neighborhood, I really think that I'd be buddies with all these fucking dudes. I I really think that I'll be buddies with all these fucking dudes. I just think they got too fucked up. Brian Higgins got all in his feelings. Brian Albert was trying to impress Brian Higgins. They were trying to impress each other. Like we said, they've been together all day at another officer's funeral and it just they got into their feelings and shit got out of hand. They figured out a way to fucking hide it and jen mccabe, the puppet master, figured out the timeline and come up with the idea to get his ass out there by the flagpole 100.
Speaker 2:They all did. And you know when I I believe nicole when she said oh, I went home and started cleaning. Yeah, you did, bitch, cleaning up a murder.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah, I want to talk about the Vanity Fair Piece. Yes, 100% Spill that tea, baby, because that's fucking exciting. I hope this shit comes to a head ahead.
Speaker 2:So Turtle Boy was investigating and Turtle Boy has covered the Karen Reed case, I'm going to say, since you know pretty much the gate, if it wasn't for him, you know, I don't think anybody would know about this case. He has dedicated the past two and a half years caught charges, everything else, because he's so dedicated to this case and trying to find the truth of what really happened.
Speaker 1:He's a goofy little dude but he's got some balls on him. I like him.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. He'll tell them off in a hot minute. I love it.
Speaker 1:He fucking went over there knocking on doors and shit. Y'all got camera footage. Y'all got camera footage. But go ahead, tell the van, to tell the Vandies the carpet shit.
Speaker 2:So he was doing his investigation and he's seen that this contractor was removing all this carpet from 34 Fairview after the Alberts had just magically sold their house. They'd had their. It was his parents' house so after they sold it they were taking out, changing the carpet in it or whatever. Turtle Boy Got word of it.
Speaker 1:Told.
Speaker 2:Karen.
Speaker 1:They got the contractor's license plate number.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh and Karen got her private investigator to get a hold of this dude. They got the carpet and they have it in a climate. I don't know how much carpet it is, I don't know if it's through the whole house, but it's in a climate stored security storage facility and she's going to be having it tested for John's DNA. But I guess it's like $5,000 per swab, five grand per swab.
Speaker 1:Now we've seen that shit. Some chick was talking on YouTube about that and I have to say DNA has come a long way. I don't think it's nowhere near $5,000 a swab, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Unless. That's just what the Commonwealth want to charge her ass, which I could see, that Well, if she's going through her own private investigators, I mean they're probably going to their own labs and I'm sure it's expensive. I mean, look how much an MRI is or something. Those are $2,000 or $3,000, and you just get in a machine and it twirls around you for a minute and you're done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you're paying the semen machine, bullshit and all that stuff. You know what I mean? Dna they just put that shit in some little tubes and put it in a machine and shake it up and then they get the XOXO shit. It don't cost that much anymore you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I think it wouldn't cost five grand for one Q-tip swab of a piece of carpet, one Q-tip swab of a piece of carpet.
Speaker 1:Now, vanity Fair did report this shit so you can go look that up. It's hypothetical, but I believe it.
Speaker 2:So what's next? What's next for Karen? She has the civil trial because the O'Keeffe family is suing her for wrongful death and I think if she's got that carpet she can get it swabbed and they find John's DNA on that carpet. I think that'll help her in a civil case as well, because then that'll make them look like all liars. I hope she gets enough money raised to get the whole carpet tested Every square inch.
Speaker 1:I just want justice for John O'Keefe for one. What was that number that people was putting on Instagram?
Speaker 2:2490.
Speaker 1:2490. What?
Speaker 2:Are you talking about his badge number?
Speaker 1:No, no. The number that people was putting money out there for somebody to tell the truth about what happened, it was in the millions. You just read it to me the other day.
Speaker 2:Oh, I posted about it, so I posted about this, actually on May 18th. It says a 10 million in rewards to solve John O'Keefe's death. Will the truth come out? Two ex-users just put over $10 million on the table to uncover the truth about John O'Keefe's death in the 2022 murder on Fairview Road. Now this guy and he goes by the name Cage Muse, you me. He said I'm prepared to fund an investigation into John O'Keefe's death with 100 Bitcoin currently valued at $8.3 million. Damn, I'm seeking the world's top investigators to uncover what appears to be a major cover-up DM. For details, that's $8.3 million to hire the best investigators. And then we had another ex-user and his name is JB Wells. No-transcript by names of people I won't mention, you think that's some real shit.
Speaker 1:You think these dudes really got that loot they want to spread out like that, or are they just posting some?
Speaker 2:BS. Well, they keep posting about increasing it and all that.
Speaker 1:Well, let me tell you what's going to happen.
Speaker 2:They said they was going to put the money into escrow with a written agreement in place and paid upon showing a renowned detective the evidence, who will then validate the truthful evidence. Please forward this and let's get justice for those who truly deserve it. That's what he said.
Speaker 1:So let me tell you what's going to happen if this loot's real and our theory is a hundred. So they've all been waiting. They're all scared to death of the Alberts. We already know that. Fucking Brian Albert, the.
Speaker 2:Albert, give me 2.5 million or 10 million, I'm not going to be scared of nobody.
Speaker 1:Hell, no, but. But I'm just saying, though. So they was all waiting on this Karen Reid shit to drop. You know, a secret can only be kept if it's between two people and one of them ain't alive, no more. So if this fucking conspiracy shit is real, there's a bunch of people that may not know the exact truth, but they know that there's a bunch of fucking lies. So somebody, after Karen Reid's been acquitted like she should have been because that was bullshit, know the exact truth, but they know that there's a bunch of fucking lies. So somebody, after karen reed's been acquitted like she should have been because that was bullshit, somebody's gonna fucking come for it and get that loot if it's real or people are gonna start dropping like flies dropping like flies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll know absolutely now you know what's crazy. There's also another case tied to canton massachusetts, with police cover-ups, this and that, and that's the sandra birchmore case oh my god, that's a different episode. That's a can't some dirty motherfuckers man for real yeah, and you know the the Sandra Birchmore case ties in more to what we talk about a lot, which is child predators. A police officer his name's Matthew, I can't think of his last name right now.
Speaker 1:Wasn't she like going to the like little cadet thing, like she wanted to be Explorer's program when she was 15.
Speaker 2:That's what it is yes, 12 to 15, because she wanted to be a cop. Well, at the age of 15, the cop started.
Speaker 1:Fucking her.
Speaker 2:Molesting her Right. Well, they ended up being in a relationship for like seven years and he was married and she got pregnant with his baby and then she wouldn't have an abortion or something like that, was going to keep the baby and she ends up dead. And the Canton Police investigator, michael proctor, jumped to.
Speaker 1:Oh well, this is a suicide you're telling me michael proctor was involved in that shit too one of the investigators on it. Yes, oh fuck yeah, I'm telling you, dude had control of this little girl until she got to be a grown-ass woman and one of the dude, a hunter, especially being pregnant. She's like no, fuck this, I'm going to come clean. And she wound up dead.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And they called it a suicide.
Speaker 2:That's why the FBI was watching him originally, I think. And then the John O'Keefe stuff popped off and there's so much information to retain in the John O'Keefe case. It's deep. So that's why I'm like, oh, maybe it was this, maybe it was that. But the basics of the story I got down pat, but some of the small details I'm maybe a little off, but not too far.
Speaker 1:This Karen Reed story has just blown up and I feel like my mama used to watch General Hospital and shit like every day. I feel like I've been sucked into a soap opera. I couldn't get enough of it. I come home from building houses and shit every day and I could not wait to put the fucking Karen Reid trial on and you know what?
Speaker 2:We always watch this second trial on Melanie Little's channel, and Melanie Little reminds me so much of my mother-in-law.
Speaker 1:She's witty like her looks just like her. She does for real.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we enjoyed watching the trial on her channel.
Speaker 1:I was fucking addicted to it. I know a lot of other people was too.
Speaker 2:You know what my favorite part of the whole Melanie Little watching her do the trial was.
Speaker 1:I already know what you're going to say. I think she wanted to fuck Alan Jackson.
Speaker 2:No, that's not what I was going to say, but yeah, we thought that she had the sweets for that.
Speaker 1:He's smooth as butter.
Speaker 2:You know her. She had the hospital Alan Jackson boy oh yeah, she did, boy, because you could just see the glow in her eye, smooth as butter.
Speaker 1:And when somebody objected to Alan Jackson boy, you could see the fire in her fucking eyes. Oh, she gets so bad.
Speaker 2:Okay, Alan Jackson boy, you could see the fire in her fucking eyes. Okay, maybe she was just professionally, just thought he was. So you know, maybe she didn't want to jump his bones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, professionally drip or whatever, I don't know man that smooth as butter, you could tell she had the hots for him or something, man? Wasn't there a rumor that, like they went to Mexico together?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard Melanie talking about it. She said that she had posted something and I think Alan Jackson was in Mexico or something and he posted something on his Twitter and they really didn't have nothing to do with each other. But then everybody was like, oh my God, melanie's in.
Speaker 1:Smooth as butter.
Speaker 2:Mexico with the island.
Speaker 1:For real. I liked Melanie, though a little bit. She had Dave Matthews shit, you know she's like a hot smoking hippie chick. Yeah, I liked her, though I mean it was funny. I liked when people would tell her to stop doing this, stop doing that. She stood her ground. I was like sorry.
Speaker 2:It's my channel.
Speaker 1:Bye, sorry, not sorry. I'm fucking doing what I want to do. Don't tell me to fucking not stop.
Speaker 2:But I got to tell you my favorite part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my bad.
Speaker 2:My favorite part Now Melanie Little does not cuss and discuss per se on her channel because you know she's got a lot of moms and stuff who are listening and sometimes they got their kids around, so she's very, very respectful. And, um, when the jury knocked on the door and was like we got a verdict, and then judge bev came out and was like well, the jury knocked, but then they knocked again, she was like what the fuck?
Speaker 1:that's the first time I did, I think, hear her.
Speaker 2:I've never heard her say a bad word ever.
Speaker 1:I was like what the fuck? Too? It was like are you kidding me? It don't even make fucking sense. Psych, psych.
Speaker 2:April Fool's. Oh, we don't have a verdict.
Speaker 1:We want to stick around for another couple days and get more money out. Tmz, when one of the first of us gave our interview oh, stop Well you know another thing that I've seen on Twitter.
Speaker 2:There was this attorney and she is convinced Karen Reid is guilty. Now, this is coming from an attorney and it was so disgusting and I'm going to talk about it. Let me find it real quick. And this is a tweet from Wendy Murphy, and I guess she's a lawyer and you know what she said OWI, the charge with the weakest evidence and not guilty of manslaughter, which Reed admitted to, and the undisputed tech stream data proved beyond all doubt.
Speaker 2:Stupid jurors should be stripped of their citizenship. She's stupid, she's so dumb. And what a disgraceful attorney. Because you know, the jurors seem more than than we do. You know, even even if we're watching it on tv, they still get to see more than we do back in the jury room and all the kinds of stuff like that. And you know, even though that there's been cases that I didn't agree with the jury, I've still had to sit and think you know, man, they seen evidence though that I didn't agree with the jury. I've still had to sit and think you know, man, they've seen evidence that we didn't get to see and, like in the Richard Allen case, I didn't agree with their jury, but I see how—I understand how they got there and I don't think they're stupid, but you know, in that case they just couldn't get over his confessions.
Speaker 1:Right, and I couldn't either. Actually, I went through that shit in my head a million times, man, and we're going to do an episode on that too, by the way. But yeah, I mean the jury does see, they see the real emotion in the courtroom. I mean, we've seen the shit on TV, they seen, they could feel the vibe and the electricity from the experts. I mean, alan Jackson, you told me this. I didn't know this. I didn't know that Alan Jackson was actually a part of the prosecution team for OJ Simpson and the prosecutor I couldn't stand his little whiny-ass voice. What was his name?
Speaker 2:Hank Brennan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was also Whitey Bulger's attorney. That's some interesting facts.
Speaker 2:Yes, why do you think they had him come in?
Speaker 1:I don't know, but they paid him almost a half a million dollars and they paid experts. I think at the end of the day it was in excess of $500,000. So that's over a million dollars that they spent just on one prosecutor, not the team, not the judge's salary, not all the helpers, all the paralegals. We're talking a million dollars just for experts and crybaby voice Brennan Objection.
Speaker 2:I was wrong when I told you that I didn't mean OJ, I meant Phil Spector.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a big fucking difference. You remember when I said are you sure, baby? Because I don't remember.
Speaker 2:Alan Jackson. I knew it was two Los Angeles cases and I don't know why I said that Well.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you fucking.
Speaker 2:Corrected myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I was thinking in my head I might have to look this shit up. I don't remember Alan Jackson up there with that short-haired chick that was prosecuting OJ.
Speaker 2:Marsha.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Marsha.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was wrong. No, I told you wrong. He was involved in the Phil Spector case.
Speaker 1:That makes more sense he was on the prosecution team, though, right, not a defense attorney, right? Okay, that makes more sense.
Speaker 2:And right, not a defense attorney, right, okay, that makes more sense. And phil specter was that crazy dude like wasn't he a music producer? Yes, he was something like that very famous very, very um prosperous yes and he sure I think he killed his wife. I'm not sure what the details on that crime, but we'll have to come back with that.
Speaker 1:Uh, t2 for real, uh-huh but, anyway, we're gonna have to cut this short because we're we're already at the end of the episode. We could talk for days about the Uh-huh, the first trial and the second trial, like Jen McCabe's testimony in the first trial versus the second trial, and things like that, the differences. We're also going to start another little podcast called 69 South in the alley.
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